brilliant ,unexpected point ,destroyed his argument and made it plainly clear that disfellowshiping is not in the Bible
raymond frantz
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How to use disfellowshipping as a way to bring them to the light
by sosoconfused inso after i stepped down and began to be the cynical young angry ex-elder in the hall a few brothers decided to have a surprise shepherding call.. they asked me what had me down, i said nothing.
i am actually very happy right now.
then one brother says, "i think you are forgetting what makes us so special in the first place... we obey god as ruler... rather then men.
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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??
by never a jw inlast thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).
i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).
i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".
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raymond frantz
Most young JWs are attracted from the wide social circle that a JW community can offer ,they don't understand many of the issues as they are well hidden.A safe amount of religiosity will hide them from their eyes for many years to come .It is only after they settle down have families that they might start questioning .Your text will be ignored by the conscious but will be engraved in the unconscious as a splinter ready to cause awakening at the right time under the right conditions
"I know exactly how you feel. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it you're entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that brought you here. Do you know what I'm talking about? "-MATRIX
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My Bible Highlights Comment last night
by BU2B inlast night i gave a comment at the bible highlights, i never comment anymore unless i can say something that might plant a small seed in someones mind.. anyways the bible reading was mark 5-8. my comment was, "i appreciated mark 7:6-8 where it reads he said to them: isiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites for it is written, this people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far removed from me.
it is in vain they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines, commands of men.
letting go the command of god, you hold fast the traditions of men.
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My Bible Highlights Comment last night
by BU2B inlast night i gave a comment at the bible highlights, i never comment anymore unless i can say something that might plant a small seed in someones mind.. anyways the bible reading was mark 5-8. my comment was, "i appreciated mark 7:6-8 where it reads he said to them: isiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites for it is written, this people honor me with their lips but their hearts are far removed from me.
it is in vain they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines, commands of men.
letting go the command of god, you hold fast the traditions of men.
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raymond frantz
You can help your congragation in many ways .I try all the following and work a treat :
- I never mention the phrase "faithful and discreet slave " or pray for them
- All my talks and highlights have only one objective :Tell the cong to think for themselves and accept only the Bible as the only authority .I use old Watchtowers so if I get asked I'm covered
- I'm bombading them with flyers in their cars ,houses concerning the main problems the JW's are faced today :united nations fiasco ,baptismal vows, Christ is not your mediator etc.
- I run my meetup made up of ex jws and christians and ,the group is growing every month
Need flyers in pdf format ,let me know and I'll be happy to help ...
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What if you simply IGNORED being disfellowshipped and continued as before?
by Terry ini know this is an odd idea.
maybe it is even silly.. but, i do daydream..... .
what if you were informed that you are disfellowshipped and you flashed a huge smile and said, "nah.".
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raymond frantz
Brilliant idea ,I thought of it too ,just completely ignore their protocol .Let's all get disfellowshiped and laugh in their face every week at the meeting
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My wife just told me to move out...
by nolongerconfused inbecause of "religious" differences, she now wants me to move out and "separate"...i said what biblical grounds does she have for her request?.
she couldnt respond...she said she'd rather be beaten up by me than have an "apostate" in the house.... this org definitely encourages conditional love.... i don't know what to do...by the way, we dont have children.
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raymond frantz
I'm so sorry you have to go through this ,I had to work slowly with my wife .Too much too soon is dangerous for people who have been indoctrinated for years .It takes time .As everyone else said ,stick to your guns ,don't move out ,ask legal advice and stop talking to her about religion .Only time will tell but I hope everything works out for you .All my love and thoughts goes out to you ,I will pray fro you brother ,have courtage
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New Light needs batteries
by Roberta804 inwell i think the borg crossed the line with many of the r&f.
met a young woman at a class i take come to find out she and her husband are recent ex-jws.
they were both born-ins and they felt the printing company is taking too many liberties and that many in the khs are not talking about it... just leaving.
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raymond frantz
Only at the Minsterial Training School for elders and servants they will openly say that you can't serve as an elder if you promote higher education within your family .Intrestingly they won't say any of that on their website .Double standards
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Why are Ex-JW's not more effective in slaying the Watchtower monster?
by Terry inwhat the watchtower society has is focus.
what ex-jw's lack is that very thing...in spades.. .
divide and conquer, eh?
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raymond frantz
theredeemer, the doctrinal issues is something that dosn't bother then the atheist EX-JW's but both classes should agree that INFORMATION CONTROL ,MANIPULATION AND OUTRIGHT REWRITING OF HISTORY along with EXTREME DISFELLOWSHIPPING are human rights that need to be fought and they can be the common ground for both classes,do you agree?
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Why are Ex-JW's not more effective in slaying the Watchtower monster?
by Terry inwhat the watchtower society has is focus.
what ex-jw's lack is that very thing...in spades.. .
divide and conquer, eh?
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raymond frantz
The one who will destroy Babylon the Great is Jesus ,but that doesn't mean that one has to quit exposing them .Jesus overturned the tables in the temple knowing fuill well that this will not bring the Pharisaic religious system to it's end ,still it showed that he cared .I do agree that there has to be a more concrete agenda with few and well chosen issues .My biggest two doctrinally are : 1) Baptised in the name of an organisation ,denying the power of the holly spirit and 2)Rejecting Jesus flesh and blood at the memorial .Both acts according to the Bible will lead you straight out of heaven. For that i'm willing to fight .I think the ex-jw community needs to act in harmony with the activists on the inside in order to intensify the pressure on these 8 Antichrists of New York .Paul was an ex merderer and so was Moses still that didn't stop them becoming leaders and doing good later on in their lives ...
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Practical Problems Arising From Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses - not on jw.org
by InterestedOne inwhat practical problems arise from leaving jehovah's witnesses?
this question was inspired by a poster whose jw friend refused to be a reference for an apartment.
i wonder if most jw's know deep down that they need to maintain some ties with non-jw's in case they find themselves either deciding to leave or ostracized for some reason..
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raymond frantz
I knew this guy who left in the early 80's because he didn't accept the 607 chronology ,he didn't try to cause a problem ,he went about his business quietly .Problem was that his employer was JW and his wife was a JW too. Man ,did they percecute him like a dog? Name calling ,emotional blackmailing ,finally one extra active CO got his employer to sack him because his was an apostate .This place wasn't easy to find another job .I still remember him .All that time I thought he was a nasty apostate .These bastards I'll never forget for telling us lies ...